Journals of the Senate
51 Elizabeth II, A.D. 2002, Canada
Journals of the Senate
2nd Session, 37th Parliament
Issue 9
Wednesday, October 23, 2002
1:30 p.m.
The Honourable Lucie Pépin, Speaker pro tempore
The Members convened were:
The Honourable Senators
Adams, Andreychuk, Angus, Atkins, Austin, Bacon, Baker, Banks, Beaudoin, Biron, Bolduc, Bryden, Buchanan, Callbeck, Carney, Carstairs, Chalifoux, Christensen, Cochrane, Cook, Cools, Cordy, Di Nino, Doody, Fairbairn, Finnerty, Fitzpatrick, Forrestall, Fraser, Furey, Gauthier, Gill, Grafstein, Graham, Gustafson, Hervieux-Payette, Hubley, Jaffer, Johnson, Joyal, Kelleher, Kenny, Keon, Kinsella, Kirby, Kolber, LaPierre, Lapointe, Lawson, LeBreton, Léger, Lynch-Staunton, Maheu, Mahovlich, Meighen, Milne, Morin, Murray, Oliver, Pearson, Pépin, Poulin (Charette), Poy, Prud'homme, Rivest, Robertson, Robichaud, Roche, Rompkey, Rossiter, St. Germain, Setlakwe, Sibbeston, Smith, Sparrow, Spivak, Stollery, Stratton, Tkachuk, Watt, Wiebe
The Members in attendance to business were:
The Honourable Senators
Adams, Andreychuk, Angus, Atkins, Austin, Bacon, Baker, Banks, Beaudoin, Biron, Bolduc, Bryden, Buchanan, Callbeck, Carney, Carstairs, Chalifoux, Christensen, Cochrane, *Comeau, Cook, Cools, Cordy, Di Nino, Doody, Fairbairn, Finnerty, Fitzpatrick, Forrestall, Fraser, Furey, Gauthier, Gill, Grafstein, Graham, Gustafson, *Hays, Hervieux-Payette, Hubley, Jaffer, Johnson, Joyal, Kelleher, Kenny, Keon, Kinsella, Kirby, Kolber, *Kroft, LaPierre, Lapointe, Lawson, LeBreton, Léger, *Losier-Cool, Lynch-Staunton, Maheu, Mahovlich, Meighen, Milne, Morin, Murray, Oliver, Pearson, Pépin, Poulin (Charette), Poy, Prud'homme, Rivest, Robertson, Robichaud, Roche, Rompkey, Rossiter, St. Germain, Setlakwe, Sibbeston, Smith, Sparrow, Spivak, Stollery, Stratton, *Taylor, Tkachuk, Watt, Wiebe
PRAYERS
SENATORS' STATEMENTS
Some Honourable Senators made statements.
Pursuant to Rule 43(7), the Honourable Senator Murray, P.C., gave notice that he would raise a question of privilege concerning the stated intention of the Chairman of the Standing Senate Committee on Social Affairs, Science and Technology to table a report with the Clerk of the Senate on Friday next, when the Senate is not scheduled to sit, said report being ready for tabling on Wednesday or Thursday, when the Senate is scheduled to sit.
DAILY ROUTINE OF BUSINESS
Presentation of Reports from Standing or Special Committees
The Honourable Senator Kirby tabled the following (Sessional Paper No. 2/37-114S):
WEDNESDAY, October 23, 2002
The Standing Senate Committee on Social Affairs, Science and Technology has the honour to table its
FIRST REPORT
Your Committee, which was authorized by the Senate to incur expenses for the purpose of its examination and consideration of such legislation and other matters as were referred to it, reports, pursuant to Rule 104, that the expenses incurred by the Committee during the First Session of the Thirty-seventh Parliament are as follows:
1.With respect to its examination and consideration of legislation:
Professional and Other Services: — Transport and Communication: $ 3,444 Other Expenditures: — Witness Expenses: $ 34,107 Total: $ 37,551
2.With respect to its special study of the health care system:
Professional and Other Services: $ 161,693 Transport and Communication: $ 105,737 Other Expenditures: $ 10,707 Witness Expenses: $ 57,768 Total: $ 335,905
3.With respect to its special study of the document entitled Santé en français — Pour un meilleur accès à des services de santé en français:
Professional and Other Services: — Transport and Communication: — Other Expenditures: — Witness Expenses: $ 13,802 Total: $ 13,802
During the session in question, your Committee received 11 orders of reference, held 82 meetings, and received evidence from 514 witnesses over a period of approximately 236 hours. Five bills were referred to the Committee, as well as the subject-matter of two additional pieces of legislation. In total, your Committee produced 18 reports. This included five reports as part of its study of the health care system and four reports containing substantive observations on legislation or the subject-matter of legislation. The Committee also examined developments since the passage of Bill C-6 during the Second Session of the Thirty-sixth Parliament.
In addition, Your Committee also established a Sub-committee on the Preservation and Promotion of a Sense of Canadian Community.
Respectfully Submitted,
MICHAEL KIRBY
Chair
Introduction and First Reading of Senate Public Bills
The Honourable Senator Chalifoux presented a Bill S-9, An Act to honour Louis Riel and the Metis People.
The Bill was read the first time.
The Honourable Senator Chalifoux moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Adams, that the Bill be placed on the Orders of the Day for a second reading two days hence.
The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.
Tabling of Reports from Inter-Parliamentary Delegations
The Honourable Senator Bacon tabled the following:
Report of the Mission of a Delegation from the Canadian Branch of the Canada-France Inter-Parliamentary Association to Paris, France, from April 29 to May 6, 2002, for the French Presidential Election.—Sessional Paper No. 2/37-115.
The Honourable Senator Austin, P.C., tabled the following:
Seventh Report of the Canadian Delegation of the Canada-China Legislative Association respecting its participation at the Fifth Bilateral Meeting, held in Shanghai, Chengdu, Lhasa, Xi'an, Dunhuang and Beijing, China, in May 2002.—Sessional Paper No. 2/37-116.
ORDERS OF THE DAY
GOVERNMENT BUSINESS
Motions
Resuming debate on the motion of the Honourable Senator Morin, seconded by the Honourable Senator Hubley:
That the following Address be presented to Her Excellency the Governor General of Canada:
To Her Excellency the Right Honourable Adrienne Clarkson, Chancellor and Principal Companion of the Order of Canada, Chancellor and Commander of the Order of Military Merit, Governor General and Commander-in-Chief of Canada.
MAY IT PLEASE YOUR EXCELLENCY:
We, Her Majesty's most loyal and dutiful subjects, the Senate of Canada in Parliament assembled, beg leave to offer our humble thanks to Your Excellency for the gracious Speech which Your Excellency has addressed to both Houses of Parliament.
After debate,
The Honourable Senator Carstairs, P.C., moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Robichaud, P.C., that further debate on the motion be adjourned until the next sitting.
The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.
Order No. 2 was called and postponed until the next sitting.
Bills
Resuming debate on the motion of the Honourable Senator Morin, seconded by the Honourable Senator Hubley, for the second reading of Bill C-8, An Act to protect human health and safety and the environment by regulating products used for the control of pests.
After debate,
The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.
The Bill was then read the second time.
The Honourable Senator Robichaud, P.C., moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Maheu, that the Bill be referred to the Standing Senate Committee on Social Affairs, Science and Technology.
The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.
Orders No. 2 and 3 were called and postponed until the next sitting.
Second reading of Bill C-12, An Act to promote physical activity and sport.
The Honourable Senator Mahovlich moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Callbeck, that the Bill be read the second time.
Debate.
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With leave,
The Senate reverted to Tabling of Documents.
The Honourable Senator Carstairs, P.C., tabled the following:
Document entitled: ``Proposals to amend the Parliament of Canada Act (Ethics Commissioner) and other Acts as a consequence.''—Sessional Paper No. 2/37-117S.
Document entitled: ``Proposals to amend the Rules of the Senate and the Standing Orders of the House of Commons to implement the 1997 Milliken-Oliver Report''.—Sessional Paper No. 2/37-118S.
ORDERS OF THE DAY
GOVERNMENT BUSINESS
Bills
The Senate Resumed debate on the motion of the Honourable Senator Mahovlich, seconded by the Honourable Senator Callbeck, for the second reading of Bill C-12, An Act to promote physical activity and sport.
After debate,
The question being put on the motion, it was adopted on division.
The Bill was then read the second time, on division..
The Honourable Senator Mahovlich moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Callbeck, that the Bill be referred to the Standing Senate Committee on Social Affairs, Science and Technology.
The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.
Resuming debate on the motion of the Honourable Senator Setlakwe, seconded by the Honourable Senator LaPierre, for the second reading of Bill S-2, An Act to implement an agreement, conventions and protocols concluded between Canada and Kuwait, Mongolia, the United Arab Emirates, Moldova, Norway, Belgium and Italy for the avoidance of double taxation and the prevention of fiscal evasion and to amend the enacted text of three tax treaties.
After debate,
The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.
The Bill was then read the second time.
The Honourable Senator Setlakwe moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Fraser, that the Bill be referred to the Standing Senate Committee on Banking, Trade and Commerce.
The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.
OTHER BUSINESS
Senate Public Bills
Second reading of Bill S-8, An Act to amend the Broadcasting Act.
The Honourable Senator Kinsella moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Oliver, that the Bill be read the second time.
After debate,
The Honourable Senator Robichaud, P.C., moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Kinsella, that further debate on the motion be adjourned until the next sitting.
The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.
Orders No. 2 and 3 were called and postponed until the next sitting.
Second reading of Bill S-3, An Act to amend the National Anthem Act to include all Canadians.
The Honourable Senator Poy moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Banks, that the Bill be read the second time.
After debate,
The Honourable Senator Oliver for the Honourable Senator Spivak moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Poy, that further debate on the motion be adjourned until the next sitting.
The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.
Order No. 5 was called and postponed until the next sitting.
Other
Orders No. 4 (motion), 3 (inquiry), 3, 5, 8 (motions), 2 (inquiry) and 7 (motion) were called and postponed until the next sitting.
QUESTION OF PRIVILEGE
Pursuant to Rule 43(8), the Senate proceeded to the consideration of the question of privilege of the Honourable Senator Murray, P.C., concerning the stated intention of the Chairman of the Standing Senate Committee on Social Affairs, Science and Technology to table a report with the Clerk of the Senate on Friday next, when the Senate is not scheduled to sit, said report being ready for tabling on Wednesday or Thursday, when the Senate is scheduled to sit.
After debate,
The Speaker pro tempore reserved her decision.
INQUIRIES
The Honourable Senator Oliver, called the attention of the Senate to the pandemic of AIDS-HIV which is sweeping across some of the most heavily populated countries in the world, such as India and China, and is in the process of killing 6,000 Africans per day, and the role that the Government of Canada could play in fighting the disease which is destroying much of the emerging third world.
After debate,
The Honourable Senator Oliver for the Honourable Senator Jaffer moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Maheu, that further debate on the inquiry be adjourned until the next sitting.
The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.
MOTIONS
The Honourable Senator Kolber moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Maheu:
That the Standing Senate Committee on Banking, Trade and Commerce be authorized to examine and report upon the present state of the domestic and international financial system;
That the papers and evidence received and taken on the subject during the First Session of the Thirty-seventh Parliament and any other relevant Parliamentary papers and evidence on the said subject be referred to the Committee;
That the Committee be empowered to permit coverage by electronic media of its public proceedings with the least possible disruption of its hearings;
That, notwithstanding usual practices, the Committee be permitted to deposit an interim report on the said subject with the Clerk of the Senate, if the Senate is not sitting, and that the said report shall thereupon be deemed to have been tabled in the Chamber; and
That the Committee submit its final report no later than June 19, 2003.
After debate,
With leave of the Senate and pursuant to Rule 30, the motion was modified to read as follows:
That the Standing Senate Committee on Banking, Trade and Commerce be authorized to examine and report upon the present state of the domestic and international financial system;
That the papers and evidence received and taken on the subject during the First Session of the Thirty-seventh Parliament and any other relevant Parliamentary papers and evidence on the said subject be referred to the Committee;
That the Committee be empowered to permit coverage by electronic media of its public proceedings with the least possible disruption of its hearings; and
That the Committee submit its final report no later than June 19, 2003.
The question being put on the motion, as modified, it was adopted.
REPORTS DEPOSITED WITH THE CLERK OF THE SENATE PURSUANT TO RULE 28(2):
Report of the Commissioner of the Environment and Sustainable Development to the House of Commons for the year 2002, pursuant to the Auditor General Act, S.C. 1995, c. 43, s. 5.—Sessional Paper No. 2/37-107.
Reports of Communication Canada for the fiscal year ended March 31, 2002, pursuant to the Access to Information Act and to the Privacy Act, R.S.C. 1985, c. A-1 and P-21, sbs. 72(2). —Sessional Paper No. 2/37-108.
Report of the Roosevelt Campobello International Park Commission, together with the Auditors' report for the year 2001, pursuant to the Roosevelt Campobello International Park Commission Act, S.C. 1964-65, c. 19, s. 7.—Sessional Paper No. 2/37-109.
Reports of the International Centre for Human Rights and Democratic Development for the fiscal year ended March 31, 2002, pursuant to the Access to Information Act and to the Privacy Act, R.S.C. 1985, c. A-1 and P-21, sbs. 72(2).—Sessional Paper No. 2/37-110.
Report of the National DNA Data Bank of Canada for the fiscal year ended March 31, 2002, pursuant to the DNA Identification Act, S.C. 2000, c. 10, s. 12.—Sessional Paper No. 2/37-111.
Report of the Export Development Corporation for the fiscal year ended March 31, 2002, pursuant to the Alternative Fuels Act, S.C. 1995, c. 20, s. 8.—Sessional Paper No. 2/37-112.
Summaries of the Corporate Plan for 2002-03 to 2006-07 and of the Operating and Capital Budgets for 2002-03 of the Canadian Commercial Corporation, pursuant to the Financial Administration Act, R.S.C. 1985, c. F-11, sbs. 125(4).—Sessional Paper No. 2/37-113.
ADJOURNMENT
The Honourable Senator Robichaud, P.C., moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Kolber:
That the Senate do now adjourn.
The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.
(Accordingly, at 5:05 p.m. the Senate was continued until 1:30 p.m. tomorrow.)